Indo-European identity part-II
(Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and north Indian genesis)
Some phenotypes of current south Asia seem to keep the track of this ancient migration from Central Asia occurring during bronze age.
The south of Asia was the homeland of bright and famous ancient civilizations, culturally and linguistically Indo-european, especially India (of the Indo-aryan linguistical family) and Iran (formerly known as Persia, of the Iranian linguistical family).
It was at the end of the 18th century, that sir William Jones realized the relation between European languages and south Asian languages such as Sanskrit, inaugurating then the existence of the now famous Indo-european language family theory.
Latin, for instance, has many similarities with Sanskrit. Indeed, how couldn’t we link words such as vox (voc-is), “voice“ in Latin and vac in Sanskrit (also “voice” ; found in many other Indo-european languages, e.g. Tocharian vak/vek or Hittite huek), candor (“bright whiteness” in Latin ) and candra, “moon” in Sanskrit, ignis (“fire” in Latin) and agnis (“fire” in Sanskrit, Agni also being the god of fire – also ugnis in Lithuanian and ogon’ in Russian, all meaning “fire“), Latin jugum (meaning “yoke“, also derived from the same proto-indo-european word) and Sanskrit yugam, giving the word “yoga“ (also in the ancient greek zugon, Tocharian yuk or Hittite yukan, among many examples), Latin nebula and Sanskrit nabhas (but also Hittite nepiš, German nebel and Russian nebo, for instance, meaning all either “cloud“, “mist” or “sky“), or pater (“father” (a word also related) in Latin) and pitar in Sanskrit (also the ancient greek pater or Tocharian pacer, and many others). Likewise, we can find some similarities between the declension suffixes in both languages (examples : -ibus at the plural dative and ablative cases in Latin and -ebhyas in Sanskrit in the same cases).
When it became obvious that most of the languages of Europe and most of the languages of south Asia were related, then started the search for an explanation to such an astonishing geographical extent. Many theories have been erected to try to solve the puzzle of the origin of the extent of this language family and to discover the original population responsible for this situation and their ancestral homeland.
The Kurgan hypothesis explains the repartition of the Indo-european languages in Eurasia by the successive migrations of pastoralist populations living north of the black sea (in what is nowadays east Ukraine and south Russia), whose arrival is visible in the archeology. In this theory, the early Indo-iranians originated in the region between Russia and north-west Kazakhstan between 2,500 BCE and 2,000 BCE (the Abashevo culture of Russia is also considered possibly a good candidate for the origin of the proto-indo-iranian language by some (The fact that it was influential in the origin of the Sintashta site (a site just east of the Ural mountains often considered as having the oldest visible expression of indo-iranian practices) could support this view as well)) and were subsequently found in the Andronovo culture of central Asia. Also, the fact that the Andronovo culture was followed by the Indo-iranian-speaking Scythians/Sakas (who clearly seem spawned from it (there is an archaeological continuity between these cultures)) seem to clearly make this theory the most logical one.
The Gandhara grave culture of the north of Pakistanis also seen as the advance of Indo-iranian populations in south Asia. The presence of proto-Indo-iranian loanwords in Finno-ugric languages (such as Estonian and Finnish) and in languages from the east of the Caucasus can be seen as supporting this theory of the Indo-iranian ethnogenesis (Interestingly, among the terms that the ancient Finno-ugric language borrowed to the ancient Indo-iranian language seems to be the “arya” word (source)).
A spreading of the Indo-european languages in Eurasia from neolithic agriculturalist populations seems very unlikely as the proto-indo-european language had words for the wheel (examples : Latin rota, Sanskrit rathas, Irish roth and Lithuanian ratas (a root also meaning sometimes “chariot” in a few languages)) and a metal (examples: Latin aes (bronze), Sanskrit ayas (iron), Gothic aiz (brass; coin) and old Norse eir (bronze), among others), which seems to exclude, de facto, the oldest typical neolithic time. The fact that the stem for “horse” (*ekwos ; the satem version of it in Sanskrit is ‘asva‘) is also present in the original language, the proto-indo-european language (a root visible in these few examples : Latin equus, Mycenian iqo, Gaulish epos, Tokharian B yakwe or old Irish ech), also excludes both south Asia and neolithic as the geographical origin and the time of the proto-indo-europeans, as the horse was apparently absent of south Asia until the last part of bronze age (this animal (as domesticated one) was apparently also absent of south-west Asia and in a big part of Asia minor until the same historical time (informations about the horse domestication)).
The study of ancient Indo-iranian languages also seems to support an origin of this language family from outside of India (source).
The Gandhara grave culture, located in the north of Pakistan in the Swat valley, sees the arrival of the horse in south Asia during bronze age and a few points allows for a (still controversial and hypothetical) link with the early Indo-aryans. The funerary practices, for instance, show several similarities with other supposedly Indo-european practices and there are many similarities with the Andronovo culture traditions. They also could fit quite well with the RigVedic descriptions. These traditions are clearly the mark of a change in this region, at this time.
In the Kurgan theory, the first Indo-iranians supposedly arrived around 1,800 BC-1,600 BC in south Asia from central Asia. These populations were apparently in large part of Europoid type as hinted by several studies (see the central Asia article), which seems confirmed by the admixture estimates of south Asian populations that do have an european component even if in low quantity (examples here or here (or here for a higher resolution of the latter) | source : dienekes.blogspot.com)
Supporting the theory of migrations from central Asia into south Asia, the presence of the very mutation (mutation T-13910 of the lactase phlorizin hydrolase (LCT) gene) providing the lactose tolerance (here more precisely the lactase persistence) among European populations is also found in south Asia, especially in the the north-west of India (source). This clearly shows that south Asians and Europeans share a specific mutation and as such as specific relation of which west Asians are excluded (this allele is obviously only very marginal and residual among west Asians and likely the result of Indo-european migrations of little demographic impact).
A 2009 study (Kallur N. Saraswathy et al., Brief communication: Allelic and haplotypic structure at the DRD2 locus among five North Indian caste populations) also emphasized the genetic flow inherited of populations extraneous to India within the upper caste populations of north India.
The dopamine D2 receptor (DRD2) gene, with its known human-specific derived alleles that can facilitate haplotype reconstruction, presents an important locus for anthropological studies. The three sites (TaqIA, TaqIB, and TaqID) of the DRD2 gene are widely studied in various world populations. However, no work has been previously published on DRD2 gene polymorphisms among North Indian populations. Thus, the present study attempts to understand the genetic structure of North Indian upper caste populations using the allele and haplotype frequencies and distribution patterns of the three TaqI sites of the DRD2 gene. Two hundred forty-six blood samples were collected from five upper caste populations of Himachal Pradesh (Brahmin, Rajput and Jat) and Delhi (Aggarwal and Sindhi), and analysis was performed using standard protocols. All three sites were found to be polymorphic in all five of the studied populations. Uniform allele frequency distribution patterns, low heterozygosity values, the sharing of five common haplotypes, and the absence of two of the eight possible haplotypes observed in this study suggest a genetic proximity among the selected populations. The results also indicate a major genetic contribution from Eurasia to North Indian upper castes, apart from the common genetic unity of Indian populations. The study also demonstrates a greater genetic inflow among North Indian caste populations than is observed among South Indian caste and tribal populations.
[pastmists : interestingly, among the populations being the closest of the north Indian upper castes, in this specific study, we find the Chuvash people (a Turkic-speaking people of Russia whose haplogroups and autosomal profile reveal they are still largely from the ancient “Europoid” autochthonous non-Turkic substrate) [pastmists: the Finns and even the Russians are close too, seemingly confirming this view] living west of the Ural mountains, where was located the already mentionned Abashevo culture, during bronze age. Is this a sign that the Aryas had come from populations in this general region (and of this historical culture), or maybe more generally from a region close to the Ural mountains?]
Asko Parpola, a Finnish scholar, evokes a few points supporting the migration of Indo-iranian populations in India during bronze age in this excerpt of an interview:
Hindu.com : “Some Indian scholars feel that the Indus Civilisation is Aryan [i.e. Indo-iranian] and connected with the Rig Veda. You are a Vedic scholar and you specialise in the Indus script too. So what is your reaction to this standpoint?”
Asko Parpola : “Rigvedic hymns often speak of horses and horse-drawn chariots, and the horse sacrifice, ashvamedha, is among the most prestigious Vedic rites. The only wild equid native to the Indian subcontinent is the wild ass, which is known from the bone finds of the Indus Civilisation and depicted (though rarely) in its art and script. The domesticated horse is absent from South Asia until the second millennium BCE. Finds from Pirak and Swat from 1600 BCE show it was introduced from Central Asia after the Indus Civilisation. The earliest archaeological finds of horse-drawn chariot come from graves dated to around 2000 BCE in the Eurasian steppes, the natural habitat of the horse. There are also ancient Aryan loanwords in Finno-Ugric languages spoken in northeastern Europe (for example, the word for ‘hundred‘ in my own language Finnish is ‘sata’ [i.e. the same word than in Indo-iranian]). Some of these Aryan loanwords represent a more archaic stage of development (that is, are phonetically closer to the older Proto-Indo-European language) than Rigvedic Sanskrit. It is very likely that these words came to Finno-Ugric languages from Proto-Aryan spoken in the Volga steppes [i.e. in Russia].”
(Source)
Although often contested, some sentences from the RigVeda, the oldest holy book of Hinduism, are interpretable through an ethnic lense. In this text, the enemies of the Arya, the Dasa, are often associated with the darkness and blackness and sometimes the literal words of black (or dark) skin are written.
Example from the Mandala IX, hymn 73 :
5. “Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates.”
which can be opposed to the following sentence from the Mandala I, hymn 100 :
18. “The mighty Thunderer [i.e. Indra] with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, the sunlight, and the waters.”
[From the Ralph T.H. Griffith translation]
A few of such instances can be found in the RigVeda.
Although rare, blue or green eyes are findable in India. The Buddha, a prince of the north of India living in the 6th century BC and whose real name was Siddhartha Gautama, is said, in the oldest written source of Buddhism, the Pali canon, to have had very blue eyes (“abhi nila netto” literally meaning “very blue eyes“). Similarly, Bodhidharma, an Indian monk of the 6th century AD, founder of the Zen Buddhism, also credited with the martial arts tradition of the Shaolin temple, was nicknamed “the blue-eyed barbarian” by the Chinese.
Pakistan
In the north of Pakistan, some individuals also frequently show a strikingly europoid appearance. The most well-known of these populations where theses characteristics are visible are the Burushos of the Hunza valley (speaking a non-indo-european language, Burushaski) and the Kalash (or Kalashas, like the former name of the Nuristanis of eastern Afghanistan) a population of the Hindu-kush speaking an Indo-iranian language. The Kalash, the Burusho and the Nuristani claim to be descendants of the Alexander‘s army (another legend of the Kalash also claim a link with the Kushan) but so far the genetic tests have not seen any link with Greek or Macedonian populations (Very few tracks have been found among the Pathans (a.k.a. Pashtun) of Pakistan though). It is quite possible that these south Asian populations are actually partly the visible remains of the ancient Indo-iranian populations that probably came from central Asia during bronze age and mixed with the local populations, as the DNA tests have revealed that populations of bronze age south Siberia, strongly supposed to have been early Indo-europeans, had such characteristics.
Isolated people of the Hindu Kush mountains in the north of Pakistan (in the Chitral district), the Kalash are a polytheistic ethnic group speaking the Kalash language, a Dardic language (a language group considered as a subgroup of the Indo-aryan language family) of the Indo-iranian language family. Their traditions are said to be close to the ancient pre-Zoroastrian Iranian and ancient Indian Vedic traditions.
source : http://pastmists.wordpress.com/
Afghanistan :
The words of Zoroaster (a.k.a. Zarathustra), the famous Persian sage, described the place of origin of the Aryans (Aryanam Vaejah) in terms that led some historians to believe he was maybe referring to a place in central Asia (excerpt from “The Cambridge ancient history“ by John Boardman)
Individuals with Europoids features, though rather rare, are findable in these regions as well, like in all the regions where Indo-european languages have been spoken or are currently spoken. It can probably be seen as a legacy of bronze age migrations from central Asia, (and originally from the north-east of the black sea, according to the Kurgan theory).
In the eastern part of Afghanistan, in a region named Nuristan (formerly known as Kafiristan), Europoid phenotypes are not that rare. The Nuristani (previously known as Kalasha before their conversion to Islam in 1895) are a people living in a very remote and isolated mountainous region of east Afghanistan, in the Hindu-Kush mountains. They maintained their very old pre-islamic traditions, believed to be derived from the antique Indo-iranian traditions of yore, and were polytheistic before being conquered and islamized in the end of the 19th century. They are speaking in a specific branch of Indo-iranian language family (sometimes perceived as having evolved from an archaic branch of the family (i.e. spawned from a different branch than proto-iranian or proto-indo-aryan within the indo-iranian family)).
It is interesting to note that the regions where the Europoid phenotypes are the most frequent are also the most isolated places where population movements and mixing was much rarer.
Some people believe these Europoid phenotypes are actually the results of rapes by the USSR army during the invasion of Afghanistan that took place from 1979 to 1989. Though, it is very unlikely for several reasons :
- It’s already difficult to imagine the Russian army changing the face of Nuristan (especially such an isolated and difficult to access mountainous region), in 10 years – especially since it was a region it didn’t control.
- There are photographs of Nuristani from before the Russian invasion such as this one from 1971 (8 years before the invasion) .
- Europoid phenotypes are found way further in Asia (north-west China, India, north Pakistan, etc…) that in the area the USSR troopers operated, even though they are not frequent.
- We know by archeological findings and ancient DNA that individuals with such characteristics existed deep into Asia (and it seems confirmed by a few Mummies as well) not so far from these regions (more will be said about this in the next articles).
- We have ancient writings that confirms that such features are found in these regions from a long time. For instance, a Chinese buddhist monk from the 7th century describes the population of a kingdom in what is nowadays either south Tajikistan or north-eastern Afghanistan where most of the people had blue eyes (source : Si-Yu-Ki: Buddhist Records of the Western World | the page before the excerpt can be found there in searching “Ta-mo-si-tie-ti“)
Kurdistan :
The Kurds are a people located partly in Turkey, north Syria, north of Iraq and north-western Iran and speaking an Iranian language. They are generally associated with the antique Medes, an ancient “Persian” people having likely brought the ancestor of the Kurdish language in this region. Haplogroup Y-DNA R1a1a is found at a low frequency in west Asia, except among the Kurds where this male lineage reaches about 20% of the local male population.
Here are a few examples of europoid phenotypes found among the Kurdish population :
Peshmerga warrior Kurd with his Daughter
IRAN:
Lot os fimilarities in the features and all .. Well I am surprised you have not put any SIKH pictures .. after all the Sikh’s ruled the Whole of Punjab-Himachal-Haryan (india) – Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan toooo … Maharaja Ranjit singh had his kingdom upto that .. Lot of features match ..
Your comment is pointless. Ranjit singh was not a great leader as sikhs say firstly, and he temporarily, for a short period, ruled these places, they are not mixed with sikh-punjabi in anyway. Pushtoons look much different from sikh punjabis.
Ugly sikhs don’t cluster with any Muslims!
You’re not very educated and know very little about genetics Xyz. My caste has the most Steppe DNA in South Asia more than the Kalash and Pathans and genetically closer to Tajiks than many other Indian communities silly idiot.
I have put now, though there was a girls pic earlier…
I fail to understand that when we are genetically so similar why do we try to extinct each other in the name of new found countries and religions….
Aryans as they say is quite a beautiful race……
wonderful pictures brother. i cant help but think that the faces are so similar in each country. if we go back in time this region has always been united, until now.
just surprised ………. had always wandered about the similarities ….
but now i know the reason …… thanks
I am punjabi (pakistani) and I have no feelings of kinship or admiration for these white aryan populations and their remnants in northern pakistan or afghanistan. They are romanticized in South Asian culture, but the hordes of whites they descend from were pure evil. These white so-called aryans raped and subjugated the indigenous south asians. This is why the maternal dna ancestry of groups east of the indus show local origin, while paternal dna is more associated with these white indo-aryans. This kind of gender biased ancestry is evidence of something very bad that happened in history. Also, the brutality of the caste system and the racism embedded in all south asian society provides support that when these groups entered India, they did horrible things.
So if the mitochondria for future generations of South Asians gets its lineage from Europe, there by removing the maternal issue all out, will that absolve the present generation from the sins of their forefathers ?
By the way, revealing your identity will not do you much harm. Fake and scared people hid behind other names, incapable of fighting the world and shouting these “intellectual” slogans from side.
Whatever may be the case, the statement reminds me of Hassan Nisar of Pakistani Punjab.
Idiot, not one of those pictures from the Kalash to the girl in Madya Pradesh have any europoid features, if you add any dark skin to a Kalash, they look like north Indian, if you add any dark skin to a person from europe, they still don’t look North Indian, the majority of people in your photos are Siberian fair skin descendants, they’re Asian just like Indo Aryans are, only few of those Afghans have Europoid features from Russian rape, they’re also mostly Asian
Ironic how India is a place full of rapists, gang-rapists on buses. No doubt in my mind that the 21st Century Dravidians target the Whiter Indians to be raped, in India. Funny how you’re talking about subjugation and colonization that occurred OVER 5000 YEARS AGO. Even if I was not partly Caucasian, I would still be impressed at how White people colonized a land-mass the size of ALL of North India (let alone inventing Hinduism) before the Ancient Greeks even begun to steal and philosophize nonsense which the Aryan people of Asia/Iran believed in (Zoroastrianism). And even besides all of that, India owes its ability to govern itself, let alone exist as a 21st Century government, to White people. You think without that blood in your people’s veins you would be pure-blooded aboriginals (like Australian ones) who would have the ability to set up kingdoms, let alone sophisticated governments throughout history?
You don’t see White people complaining about how the Haitian Revolution caused a MASS-RAPE and GENOCIDE of Whites there, either. And that was only 200 years ago. And I won’t even get into what’s happening in Europe in 2016, some Whites are protesting to bring in 3rd World scum into their haven-nations. Lastly, if my people are such “a race of Devils”, then why do so many Indians continue to flood into White-built countries and marry White women, pre-dominantly? Why are you still speaking White languages, like English, and even Sanskrit?
You fail, Dravidian. Many aspects of your existence are owed to Whites, like the internet and toilets. Otherwise go and take a shit in the Ganges River.
Hahahahaha, fool, Hinduism is brahminism, your people were sitting in caves and then zionist money brought you some fake wealth, Japan and many nations are rich, Iranians are Persian, and the smartest Indians are the dark skin dravidians, the northern Indians are the third world idiots.
Idiot, Kalash and Punjabis are related genetically, they’re all rig veda ancient people they’re not descendants of white invaders, they’re Siberian, you Punjabis are the same with more ASI blood, thats why majority of you are dark skin, you’re the rapist in history the Kalash have been living a separate existence for generations, they don’t like act like Punjabis and Pashtuns do.
Why don’t you get new pictures, these are getting really old, i mean i see them a billion times of the internet. I studied Anthropology for over 10 years, no European clans ever migrated to Afghanistan, so stop pulling out pictures of random rare kids in mountains, the Kalash are Mongoloid descent. There’s blogs out there that proved some of the “Kalash” pictures were tourists and some were retouched. No DNA ever linked them to Alexander the great or Macedonia, majority of Kalash have dark features. To sum everything up, ancient tribes migrated to India little by little and formed upper caste clans (Sikh clans because Muslims and Hindus were their competition) and then multiple invasions Aryan (ancient Aryan had dark features ) but that went all over, the British and mixed with Indians (not upper caste Indians but lower caste tribes) and majority of the invaders didn’t come through middle east, instead through china and the south India ports, only the royals came through the middle east because they were competition and came in a lot more numbers. Then the partition, Pakistan region was once all Buddhist, Hindu and Sikh and fled during no records or borders to major Indian cities, ones with land fled after, the land was offered for free to Muslims and central India Muslims poured in, who make up today’s Pakistan. Then violence and extremist forced Hindu and Sikh majority in Kashmir to Punjab and other nearby regions. Afghanistan had multiple Mongoloid invasions. North half of Afghanistan is considered Mongoloid genetically not Caucasian. Caucasian and white are two different words, many countries are considered Caucasian, and the bottom half is where Pasthus originate from and are also from south Asia and south Iran, not anywhere else, majority live in Pakistan and India. Afghanistan has Mongoloid ancestry and upper caste Indians of ancient European and some lower caste too because of the British. These were the only main known invasions of the region. Majority didn’t come through the middle east route. Also look at the number difference one country has 1.5 billion, and others around it have around 100 million, i have been tracing patterns and DNA my whole career.
Who gives a shit if you’ve been tracing DNA your whole life? Like your something important. You said most pakistanis come from central india? Are you fucken stupid? 8% of pakistanis are “muhajir” meaning migrant in arabic, further meaning they came from india. The rest were indigenous muslims who were both punjabi and pakhtoon. Iranians are mixed with people of the eurasion steppe, and pakhtoon, and punjabis have R1A in their genes which Iranians have as well. You’re not a major in ancient history, NOR are you an expert in genetic population sciences, which is a flaky science to begin with. So shut the fuck up and slurp on some pasta bitch!
The lower caste people were a prostitute caste and were used in Hindu temples as local dancers and their descendants are called Anglo Indians who are only 1 million in numbers out of 1 billion people, the Indo Aryans are the Sanskriti speakers who mixed with the local Australoid and then Dravidian populations, these hybrids are usually 400 million of India’s population, which is a lot mostly, all of North India is a hybrid race, south Indians are Dravidian Mediterranean people and the original Indians are Australoid in historical definitions like the Gond people.
Amanda Besso,
These Whites are NOT European, they are strictly _Asian Whites_.
Even Siberia / Far East Asia used to have White people, even in the Medieval times (Genghis Khan was a redhead, grey-eyed non slanted tall man):
marchofthetitans.com/earlson/genghis.htm
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/genghis-khan-was-not-asian.7476652/
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=94924
Dear Amanda Besso,
These Whites are NOT European. They are strictly _Asian Whites_
Hence the racial division: “Aryan”.
Central Asia and Far East Asia used to White, pre-historically:
Also, in Medieval times Central / Far East Asia was White, Genghis Khan was White, a grey-eyed (non-slanted), ginger-haired, tall man.
marchofthetitans.com/earlson/genghis.htm
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/genghis-khan-was-not-asian.7476652/
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=94924
There are even some Mongols who are blue eyed etc, in the modern day / 21st Century.
The Europeans are Germanic and Slavic, their appearance is not Aryan they’re just germanic in appearance, the Kalash and even the Punjabis have an Aryan appearance, the only part that isn’t the same is that Punjabis have more ASI blood, which is why they have tan skin, they’re still both Aryan people though.
What an idiot, they’re 1 million Anglo Indians from 1.5 billion Indians, the higher caste aren’t Europeans, they’re Indo Aryans from Siberia, and the many races of India are all Asian Caucasians, not European retard.
Pakistani ethnic groups, Pashtuns, Afghan Tajiks, and North Indians all cluster closely with each other. Wich is not strange considering they’re all predominantly NorthWest South Asian ethnic groups.
Genetically they’re all very distant from any West Asian population.
An average Pashtun is far closer to a Sindhi, than to ANY West Asian population.
South Asians need to start taking pride in what they are. Far too many times you see them on the internet taking glory of spreading the same inbred blonde haired people over and over.
The Pashtuns do that the most, they think just because they speak and Iranic language, their genes are different from other Pakistani people.
Indians shouldn’t be treated on par with em because Indians are very different from all of the above mentioned groups. They should instead be paired with Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
Digital captive: Kalash and Nuristani are more “south Asian” than Muslims. Islam was forcefully brought by Arabs, whereas the Kalashnikov and Nuristanis worshipped Hindu deities, and from Iran to Thailand were all Vedic followers, eithe Hindu or Buddhist.
Pakistan and Afghanistan should
Return to Aryan heritage and denounce the foreign imposed Semitic religion Islam
The Punjabis are just Kalash with more ASI blood
Another idiot barking here…..
The hungarian “NAP” is equal with “SUN”! Interesant webpage! Thanx!
Oh please this is all propaganda from the biggest failed delusional trolls. Showing pictures of homeless children with hair due to malnourishment and sunlight. In mountains your oxygen in your blood lowers and gives a rosy appearance. Even showing albinos. Olive skin is found up till Southern Europe. Up till Afghanistan the DNA is South Asian. Some true moutainers are actually Mongoloid blooded, Hispanics have it too.